like he was trying to help us he said come here he had a rifle he was using to shoot at us it was total chaos i saw people being shot. very short indiscriminately sheltering all kill everyone everyone must die and children were running jumping into the sea to were to escape hiding behind rocks hiding behind trees explosives have been found on the island just before the attack at the youth rally there was a blast here in the center of all slope which blew out windows in the city center. right now i'm thinking about the cuts in my head and of course it's horrible nice things happen you don't really know what's going on but you can assume there's been a bomb because of the serious effects. it's being linked with the same man who's thought to be a right wing extremist with anti muslim views in on the seventeenth of july he still to have posted a twitter feed where he has said that one person with a belief is equal to the force of a hundred thousand who have only interests so he's thought of posted radical tweets

leading up to this attack he's now been charged with both the bombing in the city center here in oslo and the youth come just outside he was a fundamentalist he's a fundamentalist christian and he says multiculturalism has always failed that's in his blog which has been found calls himself a nationalist he's also registered a gun club and around two years ago opened a farm called geo farm which gave him access to industrial fertilizer which is often used by terrorists for warmings like this one so it seems that it's an idea that he's been planning for a long time initially a group including helpers of the global jihad came out and said that they took responsibility for the mean but then they retracted that of course norway is is participating in the libyan and afghanistan war efforts as part of nato and the just last winter there were dozens of islamic militants arrested throughout western your. in connection with with planned bombings police have told people to stay out

of the city center to avoid using mobile phones the exits to the borders of norway were shot to me daily after the blast and roads leading into and trains leading into the capital rules so hold to now we've we've heard that soldiers are on the streets with machine guns police also and it's being called the worst attack since world war two perhaps the worst shooting spree in history all to find out more about the person thought to be behind the double attack and also we have a unique opportunity to speak to well off anderson he's a spokesman for the union of russian communities in sweden and he mill adders braving the personally this around or said i thank you very much for being on the program with us just so how well did you know this man well we. all know you're in one and then we want.

ok now after. that happened in norway people are wondering just what kind of a person is he so what can you tell us about him how did he get along with other people was never shown any strange behavior. well i mean absolutely nothing. anywhere near that and i mean it would have been on a mentionable but of course there has been small change. which probably don't. but i mean he had an ego and especially. who in relation to girls he had sort of the charm which was rather inflated and sometimes lose sort of cause friction for example the there are other guys working to be like. working with but the and that was kind of

a little bit. but it was still on but you know i am i'm the c.e.o. and you know i went there the you know that when you name the you know a lot of. radical or ideological. agents here. say it was very it was a very opinionated person. so you know i'm really not i'm not really i wouldn't say that he came across as appreciated. sometimes if i may use the word. sometimes. you know and maybe six who's. there's a lot of attention on his twitter feed he wrote quote. is worth one hundred thousand with all the interest and that was just before the attacks what kind of ideas were

going around in his head based on the conversations that man had with him. he never came across as some kind of a religious fanatic or anything i mean i knew that he was religious but it wasn't like he was crying to irk you or anything you know he just i just feel. really just pretty much. that are mainly. on the other hand if you look at the sat. very. much you can be compared to but there is any. denomination saying automate the church and each and that are trying to get you even on the other hand there is just ole. population or there you have it. and then you have. central oslo is basically like just your voice and which the wrong way.

is so. you know away from big thing but i'm just telling you the surrounding places where he was around here it's interesting though they are saying that he's a very literal person at the same time he's prepared to be a nationalist the how how does these two work well together in a person like him. well you know as. of the moment when i knew any i was i would not describe him as an urchin. very thorough ideologically i was more described who. simply by theory and i'm even all the way here don't be angry that he would be the second person but they are. not more

than that i did not get that thought through ideological. why the conversation ok just their beliefs now you're talking to me about him being quite an angry person he had quite an ngo and he was a religious person now did the looking in retrospect would you have imagined that one day he would be capable of doing something like this if it is indeed him way absolutely never ever i would never imagine that the far more guys who are way more weird than you was. now how how do you think he got these ideas into his head in the first place you know you kept talking about stories and his relationship with girls and church thinks it's somewhere in there that he got these these ideas and says you just have to look around. and it's like a lot of people who are very radical religious jews all the way ranging from white christian and then you have people who are explorers with the leftist ideas and

obviously he has managed to find some right wing groups so i'm not generally surprised that people find very free might be a lot closer. ok just one more thing what what you kept saying that he got irritated what was a topic for example that really gotten irritated or angry. that will be. generally die. and more generally maybe it will be. better you will know. but whether you are on that or anything that will be one of the things that so. ok why do you think he did this there are speculations about the reasons behind why he would commit such a crime why do you think based on what you know with him i have no idea i could not imagine. even you imagined he must have been somehow brainwashed or

something. by who by by his christian fanaticism religion or nationalism who isn't brainwashed by i don't know if anybody is just saying that in central local all that is fine and if you are just there will be approached by it was all. ok well thank you very much for that insight into what the suspect all of anderson thank you very much is a spokesman for the union of russian communities in sweden and again he had no adverse préfet thank you. now the enervation prime minister said more democracy and openness is the answer to the violence but hello lure us from the inner region institute of international affairs believes it's a country's policies of multiculturalism that turned the gunmen against his own. be higher than the increasingly. intense and heated debate about immigration.

about both immigration is doing to no region culture or multiculturalists and is really not of aid to go forward to marginalize the region and feel their voices are not being heard in the political establishment. the reaching people have never been consulted democratically about whether a bump immigration on or not and that the political establishment is a sort of of the elite that lives in areas which are depicted out by all whites and that it's lower class to reach and so who feel that the immigrants are sort of getting into the territories removing them folded from the drugs lowering their salaries etc and there are no avail playing the democratic rules i guess dot so far seems to be the motivation of this person as well. all in a lot of the attacks norway has reimposed a shank than a border controls denmark did the same over two weeks ago a move strongly criticized by other members of some vital from the moscow state

humanitarian university says there are signs a united europe is falling apart. the european project is collapsing slowly collapsing you know there are loss of life i mean. for the north africa and some countries have a cancer rates fold is they have to go to that their research and that has control that immigration control and that's. only tells us that the european fold it lacks the you know kind of vitality the there right agenda and it should be shared by the people living in the e people house would be ready to actually while those people they have to say no to this time today country. the governments all these countries how to put it to the referendum actually talk to the people rather than just saying we are going to bend this plan that every stakeholder has to have

a say in it not just the citizens of the country not just the migrants because you see there is a contradiction break this famous fall he's and he's a lamb is calls supposedly to the information shared by the media no wait and at the same time there is an islamized again ization that. they have taken responsibility it's on the whole of the blast in the way that it's all you see it is on tradition of saying this will use anti islam as the halls and at the same time islamist organizations like the responsibility neither varies something deeply wrong with the communication and it just to remind you the latest on our top story this hour at least eighty seven people are now confirmed dead after a shooting spree at a norwegian a youth camp and police say they are continuing to search for several people still missing that attack came by shortly after a powerful blast in downtown all slow which claimed at least seven lives.

let's discuss the tragedy that rock norway with chris yates a security analyst from manchester in the u.k. mr gates thanks very much for being on the program now most people jump to the immediate conclusion that the also attacks were the work of an islamic group well the fact that a native norwegian but it was behind them has come as a surprise or shock for some now you've lived there what's gone wrong how did a peaceful society produce a man who turned against his own people. you know one of the key issues here i feel . we're looking outward right across europe european nations work no good to a threat from overseas and numbness or are we looking to ourselves from the right sort of right wing groups right across europe not just in a way but elsewhere across the european nations. and the almost on a fair bit to choose the people within these groups expound. you

know this is a key is here that has not been addressed. in recent times because of all of the the the reasons that have been exploited by politicians right across you know ok now i just looking at hindsight again it's always easy to do that but do you think anything could have been done to prevent this attack. yes or no is the short answer to that really what we're talking about here is a possibly a lack of resources instructive today that the. the the the european organization pulling all the police forces in europe europe all. together . to setting up a group of thirty or so experts to aid police forces across europe people looking inward as opposed to. the question there is why this is not

not being done before because there are any number of reports that you can read on the internet and privately if those reports are classified. suggest that the the rise of right wing extremism in europe has been prevalent for a number of years so the question is why have we. looked into our cells. we have two of these things much person probably we could have done. in where do we go from here ok how is that outsider looking in if you look at norway traditionally it's known as a quiet and peace loving nation and it recently though there have been headlines over several extremist related arrests so why is that is that just a step up in the efforts in the arresting extremists or is that an increase in extremism possibly a step or two you know we have to remember what happened christmas time

in the neighboring country sweden last year we also have to remember that has been a rise whom right wing views being expanded right across the northern parts of europe so we're talking about sweden we are talking to a certain extent of denmark and of course holland belgium down into crohn's so. i come back to the points that i made just a moment ago that. we need to be mindful of what's going on within each country as well as what's going on in the wider world as well ok now i did norway's immediate reaction was to reimpose border controls following of course denmark's lead a few weeks ago well that was heavily criticized by other e.u. leaders could this be the start of a split in the union you think. there is

a very big question the the issue of open borders across europe has been on the table for quite some time now given the influx of immigrants from north africa following the fall of the jews in regime the the actions of the going on in libya and of course egypt as well we shouldn't forget egypt was world. a lot of those people. migrating into southern europe the issue is with border controls on the southern borders of the show. so-called shango area that has cools many many problems right across the region not least of course and problems in italy and to a certain extent in germany and austria so we need to get excited we control the borders in europe and yes action within the european union.

to to ease the restrictions on individual nations closing borders times of crisis within those countries and what norway has done within this past twenty four hours is precisely that given that there is a national crisis they have temporarily closed the borders of article thank you very much for your analysis chrissy eight security analyst talking to us live from manchester thank you and all the vision attacks have sent shock waves around the world a spark passionate debate on what's really behind it on our website r.t. dot com we're asking what's the cornerstone of that our region tragedy and so far the majority of you think the sheer fanaticism is to play fewer people thirty five percent say the tension stem from multiculturalism twenty percent say the reason is global terrorism which penetrates everywhere and the minority a says it's down to

the failure of security forces what's your view on that just log on to r.t. dot com and have your say. and now for more insight on the a horrific attacks we can cross live to justin a dargon a research fellow with the dubai initiative thank you very much mr dargan for being on the program again and initially fingers were pointing at jihad as extremist groups jumping to conclusions if you will what does that say about the world's view of islam. well i think that obviously for a long time i mean since two thousand and eleven the world has been focused on transnational islamist terrorism i mean so it is pretty fair to say that whenever there's any type of random explosion or people are targeted or what have you the first thought. of course would be some other radical group and of course since the

death of osama bin laden an. increase in terms of us soldiers that have been sent to afghanistan since president obama's been elected there have been regular threats coming from various groups have been targeted that have stated that they're going to target europe and target the u.s. and so on and there's also been a spot for the terms so i mean it is fair to say that it is there is a bit of justification that initial thought of course was ten times national. terrorism but i think that what this does represent is that while this about transnational islamic terrorism has been on the radar for some time the very real threat by the homegrown right wing extremists has been overlooked and this is really been overlooked in most western countries and the u.s. and also maybe. many european countries as well so i think that now this is going to conjure concentrate the minds of policymakers out there needs to be

a reassessment of the homegrown right we need if she doesn't run interesting that you bring that up actually it's because with more detail the notion of far right movements and extremism homegrown extremism as you put it has been put to the through the spotlight now which do you think would be a bigger threat because in a region security forces for example don't expect someone with far right sentiments would actually be capable of this whereas a greater threat with islam or the far right. well i well you can see that islam is a threat because islam is not to threat rather it started to lay share in certain extremist ideology which is coming from certain groups that have certain geo political aims so you can say that islam is a threat but at the same time within most western countries we have seen two things happening at the same time we have seen this type of ratcheting up of rhetoric anti immigration rhetoric this is happening to us and also western europe and there's also been this demise we can say multiculturalism so there have been individuals

that have more or less become quite quite self radicalized due to vironment and also due to the idea that there's just been an influx of immigration then compound these factors has also been the global economic crisis so you have the euro zone crisis and you also have how the global economic crisis impacted united states so there has been a general type of environment which has encouraged individuals to take out their frustrations on newly arrived immigrants so i think that this is something that is actually very very very very important for western policymakers to look at so i think to make coming years we're going to see more of this right wing extremism emanating and this is of course happened in the u.s. and also i'd just like to give you an example we saw of that there was the shooting of a congresswoman in arizona now this happened during

a time of extreme political agitation whereby political discourse became quite heated now the individual that did that of course was not a right wing extremist and i think people are still trying to figure out what exactly was his if you allergy but still you can see how this ratcheting up of the rhetoric impacted this individual who was a bit marginalized so i think in the coming years we're going to start to see perhaps trans national. islamic. terrorism decrease you know perhaps this threat coming from the whole growing extremist underworld we increase all right thank you very much for that analysis of insight justyna dargon a research fellow with the dubai initiative thank you. well again a reminder of our top story for you the latest we have is that at least eighty seven people are now confirmed dead after a shocking a shooting spree at a norwegian youth camp and that attack came shortly after a powerful blast in downtown oslo which claimed at least seven lives

a thirty two year old in a region man is being held in connection with both events and it's reported he belongs to a far right movement a second man was detained by special forces around an area where the victims' relatives had gathered but it's still not clear if he is a suspected gunman as well. and of course we'll be keeping you up to speed with the latest developments in norway throughout the day and night and we'll have more expert comment and analysis of the situation right here on r.g.p. so do stay with us for that. and iranian media is reporting the one of the country's nuclear scientists has been shot dead in the capital tehran he's a third nuclear physicist to be killed in iran in the last two years well the reign of authorities are previously blamed israel secret service mossad for involvement and that could again be the case according to tariq a political commentator in tehran. iran has just carried out an operation against the. backed. militia group in kurdistan pay jack which is

really really very badly and iran has just taken over three of their bases so it was to be expected. but whether it's going to in any way impede the run in nuclear program i don't believe that that is the case because knowledge is something you can't kill at the been this is something that the enemies of iran will have to buy a trial the i.a.e.a. has not come up with a single speck of evidence that iran has deviated from its its peaceful nuclear activities it is a nuclear energy program given the shia appetites of the east and the west for energy resources of iran once iran's energy resources have finished we have to look to the future are we going to be dependent for our fuel rods on the west or the east of the going to chance it or not and we've decided not to do so. now the u.s.

has moved a step closer to defaulting on its debts the latest round of talks to raise the country's debt ceiling collapse when a republican opposition leader stormed out of negotiations with president obama the government has to allow more borrowing on top of its existing limit of fourteen point three trillion dollars well if a decision is not made by august the second the u.s. will be unable to pay its bills and will have to default artie's new york resident laurie harford has talked to the streets of the big apple to gauge public opinion of more taxation. would you be willing to pay more in taxes to save your government from bankruptcy this week let's talk about that you know definitely would pay more if i knew it was spending. billions rather spend it on defense. or education. so do you trust your government to spend it correctly i don't trust any

of the parties in our country since fifty percent of the american public does not pay a nickel i would have a problem i believe everybody even if it's a dollar fifty everybody should be in this shared sacrifice no matter how you feel about taxes the bottom line is you're probably always going to have to pay them but it's up to your government to use those funds well. and a recap of the headlines coming up in a few moments to go away. for the fall we've got. the biggest issues get a human voice face to face with the news makers. in india in the movie joint be the children's village the gateway to

the grand imperial. told us that. you can a letter to. see don't need to go publicly and read this in the kernel was her job as a retreat. they're watching on t.v. a quick recap of the top stories norway's nightmare at least ninety four now confirmed dead after two violent attacks rocked the country got mad and police uniform killed eighty seven in a shooting spree at a youth camp hours south for a car blah shot of the center of all slow claiming seven lives. police have arrested a thirty two year old a region that is suspected of being a behind both attacks he said to have links with a far right movement and a second bag has been detained in connection with the it's possible he's in the

last few hours. plus i'm hearing a nuclear scientist is reportedly shot dead in the country's capital it's the third burger of a nuclear physicist in iran in the last two years with terror on the pinning the blame for two previous killings on the israeli secret services. and economic troubles just keep on plaguing view up at the u.s. greece's credit rating is under threat the following the e.u. agreeing on a fresh bailout for athens while america moves closer to defaulting on its massive debts lawmakers failed to agree on raising the debt ceiling. of course we'll keep you updated on developments in norway throughout the day and night well a change of tone for now though as we bring you the latest addition of this weekend's moscow out. humph.